As much as we may want to, discipline cannot be drowned, or made to disappear. It lifts it’s head every day in the growing stubble on our faces, or in the overflowing garbage can, or in the fine film of dust that accumulates on our furniture. When the heart is tired, discipline will even haunt a man until he either cracks completely or he submits himself to it’s incessant demands – only then perhaps he might see, not it’s punishments, but it’s purpose in shaping a man. Then perhaps too when all it’s well known constraints have been buffeted to no earthly effect, we may discover “behind the dim unknown, standeth God within the shadows, keeping watch over His Own” (James Russell Lowell, in The present Crisis). O Lord, what is man that you care for him, the son of man that you think of him? Man is like a breath; his days are like a fleeting shadow (Psalm 144)! God’s rhythmic symmetry is seen in the presence of constancy in all created things. The relief one feels at the constancy of day and night ought at least to be matched with a readiness to learn of it in our daily schedules, and who knows, that we are not being taught the lessons needed to rule angels. The man who looked after his 10 talents was soon applying the fruit of his discipline to 10 cities. Pulling the blanket over our heads in times of duty is no sensible catharsis. A man discovers soon enough that joy comes only from willing obedience, which reminds me of that line in Clint Eastwood’s Gran Torino that says, “The things that haunt a man the most are the things that he isn’t ordered to do.” God guards the course of the just and protects the way of the faithful, as Solomon wrote, “Then we will understand what is right and just and fair – every good path. For wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul… wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men… Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil… My son, do not despise the Lord’s discipline and do not resent his rebuke, because the lord disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in” (Proverbs 2:8 – 3:12).
Some Thoughts on Discipline – 14th January 2009
January 14, 2009 · 7 Comments
Categories: Christian Character · Making Disciples
Tagged: constancy, discipline, obedience
7 responses so far ↓
coffee // January 15, 2009 at 6:40 am |
good quote, thanks for pointing that out
David Grant // January 15, 2009 at 8:55 am |
It seems strange to me that Christians can be disciplined enough to hear a sermon every week but not disciplined enough to stop the unnecessary deaths of children every year due to lack of nutrition and clean water.
You mentioned the man that made 10 talents. Reading further along in Matthew 25 we find the purpose for this material gain: giving food and water to those in need.
True discipline and responding to God’s heart is to care for the widow, orphan and the alien. If we diverted 10% of the dollars spent on Christian buildings and salaries all of the needs of the poor could be met.
Brian Patterson // January 15, 2009 at 3:56 pm |
thanks for this Loys! we love you!
B&B
icagirl // January 15, 2009 at 5:15 pm |
nicely written.
Peta Edwards // January 22, 2009 at 9:05 pm |
Thanks Loys, I remember Terry Fouche preached many years back at Glenridge… He mentioned that if one was battling with anything they should study it…. well, discipline is such a wide subject and always needs to be kept in check. Guess what I felt drawn to study up on discipline, your thoughts on the subject have been helpful, and the comment from David Grant very challenging. Praise God for His Grace that helps us respond to His Calling in all the Areas of Life where discipline demands our attention.
barns // February 23, 2009 at 4:37 am |
hey loys.
The last verse quoted in this post is (and has to be the key). The motivation for being disciplined has to be considered and discipline as a practice cannot be decoupled from the motivating force. All of us are capable of discipline and obedience in some shape or form. The motivating forces can be widely different but the end result the same: the ability to discipline ourselves. My belief if the motivating force is compelling enough the ‘cost’ of discipline is reduced. In saying this it creates the obvious link between motivation and discipline. This may suggest that the greater emphasis should be in the motivating force.
Does this not suggest that, in the context of behaviour and specifically loving behaviour the most compelling force will be being loved? Does it not follow that the greatest emphasis in understanding God should be on understanding his grace and his inability to do anything but love. Discipline is linked to behaviour. God will always, in my view, emphasise identity over behaviour. In knowing this we lose discipline as a requirement, a law and we see obedience (discipline) as a natural flow from an existing reality.
Perhaps therefore my view on this is that the subject of discipline is secondary. That primary is the factual reality of the good news. It suggests to me that the power for discipline (and for our love unto others) is sourced in one place: the gospel message – which seeks one thing – the release of man from all pressure and requirements to perform – true freedom where all things are permissible. Its in such a forum – the absence of requirements (i.e. law) that true love can/may be birthed.
My view is that by making the primary primary the secondary could (may?) flow?
My fear is that discipline makes such sense that it appeals to the world – especially a performance focussed world. Entering the Kingdom of heaven requires us to think in terms that are foolish. I.e were concepts of effort and outcome/reward are delinked. I.e. where the laws of this world (a shadow of the greater) are decoupled. I.e. by being spiritually minded, i.e. thinking within the context of heavenly thinking we are able to achieve great things on an earth which is worldly minded?
Having said all this the tenacious scriptures of the epistles cry for their voices to be heard: add this to that and that to this and then love. Perhaps the path to absolute freedom includes the need for self control / restraint / discipline / obedience. The calls to such must be drowned in an over-arching understanding of the nature of singular force by the Creator on his created: Unconditional love; His stated objective: our freedom and His requirement of us: To believe in the one he has sent.
1 john4:
11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
loysdefleuriot // February 23, 2009 at 6:09 am |
Thanks bro, appreciate your comments. L